Of course because of the latest news, the subject immediately turns to gun control.
I was on twitter yesterday and got into a debate with a lib. What it will always come down to for me is Constitutional rights. I am not a gun owner. Guns scare the bejeezus out of me. I do think that if there were citizens with concealed guns there might have been less death in Aurora.
The subject was opened with this tweet:
These people agree with libs that we should give up our gun rights. twitter.com/Guitartom47/st…You see a bunch of Islamic terrorists. I can't stress enough here how Islam and the liberal occupy movement go hand in hand. Right down to the same antisemitism.
— Tom Allen (@Guitartom47) July 22, 2012
See my timeline for the actual debate, but I'm cutting and pasting parts here without embedding tweets. It's easier that way. I'm "G" and he's "H".
H: really amazing how #NRA cowards play to the timid and frightened...no one wants you guns BUT many want sane regs
G: if I thought for an instant that a dirtbag nutcase would obey gun regs, I *might* agree. But I don't.
G: it's very easy to mass murder people w/o guns.
H (aside): #NRA apologists are out whining to timid/frightened base Pretty amazing how so many people are paralysed by fear to accept violence(He's talking about me. I'll admit here that I'm not too influenced by the NRA, only because I've never visited their website.)
H: He did obey the laws The issue isn't criminals at all but deranged idiots fired up by their failures or something else
G: and I'm sure that Mexico, with all their tight gun laws is the epitome of law abiding citizens. Oh wait.. Obama supplies them...
H: explosives and materials are closely watched Try and buy them and see what happens
G: and cars are EASY to kill people with. How did he booby trap his apt. Without anyone knowing btw??
H: notice it didn't go off and notice how deadly it was not
G:notice how long the police took to disarm those bombs.
H: Not long considering notice they didn't go off and from what I am hearing primarily incendiary devices
G: really? I'm not an expert but PLEASE.http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+make+a+bomb+at+home&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari …I'm referring to his statement that materials are tough to come by. Google is a wonderful resource, even for terrorists.
H: and Bush the torturer supplied them also Mexico is a war zone Laws only matter when enforced"Bush the Torturer" supplied your friend Obama with valuable intel about Bin Laden my friend. Gimme a break.
G: Bush didn't. They communicated with the Mexican govt. and stopped the operation when it was apparent that it didn't work
G:Obama started it up again in order to affirm tightening gun regs. Over 300 Mexicans were killed. AND BRIAN TERRY.
G: with agents in the field who testified to the insanity of it. Hmmm. Sounds like ulterior motives.
H:best go back to a news source other than Musdoch and his #Saudi investors' FOXWTH?!! Every damn lib assumes that all conservatives are FOX watchers. True, I dont get my news from the MSM but FOX is a bit too lib for me. Really!
G: I don't watch fox.
H: a tragic government screw up for which apologies were made not the first and far from the lastHe was once an explosives expert.
H: I was once ;)
G: good for you! I'm guessing someone COULD buy materials from various places and stockpile. Btw I envy you. Explosions are fun.Yes. I watch Mythbusters.
H: yes and you point? still a screw up and FAR from the worst or deadliestThis is truly the only reason that could explain how things are going with Holder and Obama right now. COVER UP.
G: you know my point. An operation that is insane,justifying new gun regs that'll help screw up Obama's base into a feeding frenzy.
G: I'm sure you'd love it if Mexico supplied arms to American drug dealers? I'd call it an act of war. Screwup?!! Wow.Just a screw-up my ass.
H: They could but usually the mentally crazed don't or can't Those are who regulations can halt/limit Sane regs can workPeople who think they know everything about mental illness. Stalkers are mentally ill. They are patient and goal oriented. Jeez.
G: hmm. I don't buy that argument for a sec. Unabomber operated for a long time. Our gentleman in Aurora shows signs of planning.
H: the justify new regulations is utter nonsenseNo it isn't. First rule when losing an argument? Call the other person a fool.
H: signs of planning yet is not enough for bombmaking The unibomber was sane/cause driven like religious extremistsHe was a stalker.
G: you mean like tea partiers? Now you're talking like Ross and Stephanopoulos. Maybe you meant Islamic extremists tho...
G: he wasn't sane. Have you READ his manifesto? Wow.
H: they screwed up the op plain and simple and now the do nothing House wants to make a political issue of it - so typical
G: well then, they did it despite earlier experience and got 300 people killed for no good reason, and the withheld docs...
H: much more likely
G: ...and then lied about what he knew and when he knew it, withheld docs. Etc. etc. etc.
G: if its nothing why use exec privelage? Huh. Sounds like they're hiding a lot.
G: I believe they used the op. to justify. You tell me it's nonsense but what's your argument?No one has yet explained the complete incompetence of the Obama administration, except that he was using it to justify tightening gun regulations.
H: Tea partiers are generally too old/feeble more along line of Christians/Muslims slaughtering each other for their godWow. Actually Tea Party folks are pretty average. But I'm glad his profiling excludes the Tea Party in violence. Hey! Maybe Tea Partiers could hire a terrorist! We're RICH!
G: maybe OWSers. They're young and fit, Scuse me while I go change muh diaper. Old man.
H: Is he in a mental hospital?Back to Unabomber. No. Thank Goodness. I really feel that a lot of very dangerous people who are mentally ill are deserving of a stay in prison. Their acts are that heinous.
G:doesn't matter. Your point is that tight gun regs would keep maniacs from killing. He'd do it no matter IMO.
G: do nothing house? How many budgets passed? How many of Obama's 'budgets' have gotten EVEN ONE VOTE.
H: How many laws made it through Congress and were signed? THAT is legislation the rest is posturingAbsolutely. As far as posturing, our Representatives are doing, for the most part, exactly what we hired them for. To keep the other side from furthering the cause of Obama's socialistic policies. Compromise is what Democrats want from us. Not what they want to give of themselves. Witness Obamacare.
G: whatever. I'm sure you'd say that if the tables were reversed. #yeahright
H:Executive branch is a coequal part of government House was infringing on that equality See US constitutionWrong. See above. Democrats never compromise.
G: I missed this. Obama has been using EPA to legislate. Coequal? Tell that to your true love.
H: I have I bitched at the last House for no jobs focus Facts are if there is no compromise there can be no free government
G: compromise is the mantra of Dems who aren't getting their way. Jobs focus? Whaddabout years 1 & 2?
G: he's spent more time on the golf course than listening to his jobs council. #loserlikefocus
H: Look at all nuts that have tried to blow us up...not worked well has it? Regulations work when used - 100% no but workI will never get over how much I love this video. the guy is a true hero. I want to be him when I grow up.
G: check this video out. By his age, he must be a tea partier. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/its-just-too-bad-71-year-old-samuel-williams-was-not-at-the-aurora-theater-last-night-video/ …
H: Care to bet he was a vet/retired cop I lived in CO I wager there was more than one gun in the audience - they ranThey were in many respects true heroes. they looked after each other and saved each others lives. I've no doubt that God helped them have the strength to do what they had to.
H: They don't need to be real tightHe's talking gun regs I assume. Not his underwear. Anyway great. What happens with Dems and regs is that they get tighter and tighter and tighter. Look at today's EPA and how they are trying to shutter the coal industry.
H: That is when I bitched Compromise is written into the constitutionShow me where The Constitution tells Republicans to bend over and take it up the ass every single time. I don't think so.
H:But created more jobs than any Republican program Compare hours with Bush the torturer Obama worked longer, smarterNope. Laughing. Net jobs loss in the last 3 1/2 years. The worst recovery from a recession EVER.
G:and choked off tens of thousands of jobs w/ gulf drilling moratorium, fed land no drilling, keystone, coal over regs etc.etc.WTHWrong. Even though the spill in the gulf seemed pretty bad, that oil dissipated quickly. Now the gulf rigs have headed south to do business elsewhere. Keystone had already undergone two environmental studies before Obama canceled it to appeal to his base. Coal is being killed by Obama. Very purposeful. Right from the start he said he would.
G: money wasted and thrown down the green energy toilet...Solyndra others....FAILURE choking our economy.
H: oh stop gulf response was correct as was Keystone Coal is being killed by natural gas and seeking gov aid/protection
H: green has been a net job creator I wonder why conservatives think Americans can't do things any longer?Yikes. And how many of those jobs are janitors? Okay how many green jobs has Obama created? Solyndra and other companies are failed or failing. As far as American exceptionalism, it's liberals like Obama who tell the world that Americans have gotten lazy. This guy is completely crazy.
He went on to make assumptions about the audience in Aurora, and how they probably had guns and ran anyway. I doubt it. The theater was a gun free zone and these people were not law breakers like the monster who shot at them.
Anyway, the conversation was pretty much done by this time and he excused himself. I've take out a few insignificant tweets. If you want to see unedited, look at my time line on twitter. I'm @Guitartom47.